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Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
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Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


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What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….

Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$ when they ban the servers.

 

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

 

-Rolf

 

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As we can Find they listing here:
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Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


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Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just plain stupid. 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….

Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$ when they ban the servers.

 

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

 

-Rolf

 

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Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife

 

Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


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Andre Müller
This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day the dwindling gameserver community.

Good bye srcds.

Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr:
Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just plain stupid. 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….

Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$ when they ban the servers.

 

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

 

-Rolf

 

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Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife

 

Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


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It's true. For a game literally built from the ground up on community effort, the community in this game has been severely crippled. 

On Jun 14, 2017 8:22 AM, "Andre Müller" <[hidden email]> wrote:
This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day the dwindling gameserver community.

Good bye srcds.

Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr:
Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just plain stupid. 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….

Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$ when they ban the servers.

 

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

 

-Rolf

 

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Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife

 

Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


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The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too... 

On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller" <[hidden email]> wrote:
This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day the dwindling gameserver community.

Good bye srcds.

Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr:
Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just plain stupid. 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….

Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$ when they ban the servers.

 

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

 

-Rolf

 

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Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife

 

Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


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Saint K.
That's where the communities went wrong.

You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept and people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your servers.
If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.

Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.

Saint K.


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The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too... 

On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller" <[hidden email]> wrote:
This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day the dwindling gameserver community.

Good bye srcds.

Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr:
Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just plain stupid. 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….

Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$ when they ban the servers.

 

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

 

-Rolf

 

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Onderwerp: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

 

Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife

 

Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


Thanks and best regards!

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Absurd Minds
The concepts were fine before valve put all these restriction on servers. People enjoy playing in servers with absurd skins. Just go into any 1.6 or source server and you'll see. The problem is valve made those "illegal" in csgo, so now you have to monetize because you have to keep buying tokens. 

On Jun 14, 2017 9:30 AM, "Saint K." <[hidden email]> wrote:
That's where the communities went wrong.

You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept and people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your servers.
If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.

Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.

Saint K.


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The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too... 

On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller" <[hidden email]> wrote:
This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day the dwindling gameserver community.

Good bye srcds.

Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr:
Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just plain stupid. 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….

Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$ when they ban the servers.

 

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

 

-Rolf

 

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Onderwerp: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

 

Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife

 

Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


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You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for something that they can get for free, I could apply the same logic to valves decision, if people want to buy skins they will buy them why block the plugins? 

And those servers who continue running these plugins are UNIQUE and they exist because players are paying for it, so it is quite obvious what players actually want...

2017-06-14 15:30 GMT+02:00 Saint K. <[hidden email]>:
That's where the communities went wrong.

You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept and people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your servers.
If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.

Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.

Saint K.


From: Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]>
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The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too... 

On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller" <[hidden email]> wrote:
This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day the dwindling gameserver community.

Good bye srcds.

Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr:
Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just plain stupid. 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….

Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$ when they ban the servers.

 

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

 

-Rolf

 

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Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife

 

Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


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Saint K.
I've been running gaming communities since 1999. 

That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years. 

Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's simple economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no problem surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.

I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved their wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.

Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't for the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a flying fuck.

Saint K.


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You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for something that they can get for free, I could apply the same logic to valves decision, if people want to buy skins they will buy them why block the plugins? 

And those servers who continue running these plugins are UNIQUE and they exist because players are paying for it, so it is quite obvious what players actually want...

2017-06-14 15:30 GMT+02:00 Saint K. <[hidden email]>:
That's where the communities went wrong.

You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept and people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your servers.
If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.

Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.

Saint K.


From: Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]>
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The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too... 

On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller" <[hidden email]> wrote:
This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day the dwindling gameserver community.

Good bye srcds.

Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr:
Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just plain stupid. 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….

Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$ when they ban the servers.

 

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

 

-Rolf

 

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Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife

 

Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


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Absurd Minds
Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different cago community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive play in Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America things are a lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not providing something like skin plugins, and nobody cares enough about any community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why almost all American servers run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by the owner. Things that work in one market don't always work in other markets, and it's a huge mistake to generalize as if they do. 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K." <[hidden email]> wrote:
I've been running gaming communities since 1999. 

That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years. 

Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's simple economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no problem surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.

I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved their wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.

Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't for the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a flying fuck.

Saint K.


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Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for something that they can get for free, I could apply the same logic to valves decision, if people want to buy skins they will buy them why block the plugins? 

And those servers who continue running these plugins are UNIQUE and they exist because players are paying for it, so it is quite obvious what players actually want...

2017-06-14 15:30 GMT+02:00 Saint K. <[hidden email]>:
That's where the communities went wrong.

You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept and people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your servers.
If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.

Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.

Saint K.


From: Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: 6/14/2017 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too... 

On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller" <[hidden email]> wrote:
This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day the dwindling gameserver community.

Good bye srcds.

Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr:
Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just plain stupid. 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….

Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$ when they ban the servers.

 

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

 

-Rolf

 

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Onderwerp: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

 

Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife

 

Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


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Saint K.

Once upon a time we also had US based servers. Same deal.

 

Hosting servers as a clan or community never has been about raising or earning money. These are hobby projects and you should treat them as such.

 

Besides having paid for the game, VALVe owes you nothing in terms of server software and support.

 

And it’s quite simple. If these infectious ads wouldn’t be in the MOTD and people didn’t resort to trying to “sell off” items that should be unlocked, there shouldn’t be a problem. No donations, no servers, no games to play for the people. They’ll donate if that is the case – they’ve always have.

 

The communities started to do everything to grab money in dirty ways. Since then VALVe’s own servers started showing up, and you know the rest of the story.

 

Anyway, it’s all history, it’s not going to change and the ‘good old days’ ain’t never returning and VALVe isn’t going to listen to the outcries. That’s also why you don’t find any CS:GO servers anymore with us, as we more or less gave up with SRCDS based games.

 

So in summary – give it up, save yourself from a lot of frustration and headaches. Accept the situation for what it is. Find a way to deal with it, or don’t. It isn’t ever going to change back into anything workable.

 

Saint K.

 

From: Csgo_servers [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Absurd Minds
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 5:37 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

 

Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different cago community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive play in Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America things are a lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not providing something like skin plugins, and nobody cares enough about any community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why almost all American servers run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by the owner. Things that work in one market don't always work in other markets, and it's a huge mistake to generalize as if they do. 

 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K." <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've been running gaming communities since 1999. 

 

That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years. 

 

Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's simple economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no problem surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.

 

I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved their wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.

 

Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't for the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a flying fuck.

 

Saint K.

From: Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: 6/14/2017 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for something that they can get for free, I could apply the same logic to valves decision, if people want to buy skins they will buy them why block the plugins? 

 

And those servers who continue running these plugins are UNIQUE and they exist because players are paying for it, so it is quite obvious what players actually want...

 

2017-06-14 15:30 GMT+02:00 Saint K. <[hidden email]>:

That's where the communities went wrong.

 

You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept and people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your servers.

If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.

 

Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.

 

Saint K.

From: Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: 6/14/2017 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too... 

 

On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller" <[hidden email]> wrote:

This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day the dwindling gameserver community.

Good bye srcds.

 

Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr:

Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just plain stupid. 

 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….

Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$ when they ban the servers.

 

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

 

-Rolf

 

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Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife

 

Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


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Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how community servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life community operating experience. If communities aren't run how he thinks they should, they should die a painful death, their owners probably should too huh?

Let's take a look at Saint K's well maintained community that survives on donations and nothing more. Head on over to specialattack.net. There you can see their donation counter in the top left corner, which SHOCKINGLY reads $0 of $160 needed and here we are halfway through the month! Can you believe it? I can't. It absolutely has to be an error because his highly developed website (circa 1999) and the non-existing TF2 & CSGO game servers that he is running during peak hours in Europe definitely must draw more than enough happy supporters that are willing to donate their hard earned money to his obviously well maintained community, as opposed to spending their money on other games, skins, or things that help them ensure their thirst for instant gratification is quenched. 

And here Saint K is, no online CS:GO servers or anything, kind enough to come to the CSGO servers mailing list and fill us all in on how communities should be operated. His 2 CSGO servers ( https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=csgo ) are booming with popularity (they aren't. they're not even online xD) and he is sparing his precious time to help us by belittling our efforts and throwing off personal insults. 

Let's take a look at his TF2 servers. It APPEARS that he has a pretty good amount and that at least 1 is popular ( https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=tf ). WRONG. Here is that same stats page + player counts next to the Steam Server browser where I added all his servers to my favorites. Kind funny how only 1 of them is even online, it's Garry's Mod, and it's empty, that is really weird: http://imgur.com/BoaCUh6

And lastly, here is his 1 single server that shows up in game tracker (I tried every combination of special attack names to make sure this was accurate): http://www.gametracker.com/search/?query=specialattack&sort=2&order=ASC

So tell us more bullshit Saint K, you slimey weasel. All you ever do is show up here, acting holier than thou, thinking you are something special. Spoiler alert: you're not. You don't even peak anyone's radar until you come flapping your gums. Your non existent servers are empty. Your forums are dead. Donations don't exist outside of you donating for appearances. Get over yourself, fuckin twat.

UPDATE: Just as I was finished writing this, he had a 19 dollar donation show up on his counter. That is fucking hilarious. Saint, are you sending the lunch money your mom gave you to your donations so it looks like someone cares? Lol =D


On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Absurd Minds <[hidden email]> wrote:
Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different cago community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive play in Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America things are a lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not providing something like skin plugins, and nobody cares enough about any community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why almost all American servers run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by the owner. Things that work in one market don't always work in other markets, and it's a huge mistake to generalize as if they do. 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K." <[hidden email]> wrote:
I've been running gaming communities since 1999. 

That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years. 

Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's simple economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no problem surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.

I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved their wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.

Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't for the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a flying fuck.

Saint K.


From: Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: 6/14/2017 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for something that they can get for free, I could apply the same logic to valves decision, if people want to buy skins they will buy them why block the plugins? 

And those servers who continue running these plugins are UNIQUE and they exist because players are paying for it, so it is quite obvious what players actually want...

2017-06-14 15:30 GMT+02:00 Saint K. <[hidden email]>:
That's where the communities went wrong.

You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept and people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your servers.
If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.

Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.

Saint K.


From: Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: 6/14/2017 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too... 

On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller" <[hidden email]> wrote:
This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day the dwindling gameserver community.

Good bye srcds.

Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr:
Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just plain stupid. 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….

Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$ when they ban the servers.

 

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

 

-Rolf

 

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Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife

 

Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


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I am pretty sure he just manually changed the code so it's not 0

On Jun 14, 2017 6:25 PM, "Andrew Jackson" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how community servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life community operating experience. If communities aren't run how he thinks they should, they should die a painful death, their owners probably should too huh?

Let's take a look at Saint K's well maintained community that survives on donations and nothing more. Head on over to specialattack.net. There you can see their donation counter in the top left corner, which SHOCKINGLY reads $0 of $160 needed and here we are halfway through the month! Can you believe it? I can't. It absolutely has to be an error because his highly developed website (circa 1999) and the non-existing TF2 & CSGO game servers that he is running during peak hours in Europe definitely must draw more than enough happy supporters that are willing to donate their hard earned money to his obviously well maintained community, as opposed to spending their money on other games, skins, or things that help them ensure their thirst for instant gratification is quenched. 

And here Saint K is, no online CS:GO servers or anything, kind enough to come to the CSGO servers mailing list and fill us all in on how communities should be operated. His 2 CSGO servers ( https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=csgo ) are booming with popularity (they aren't. they're not even online xD) and he is sparing his precious time to help us by belittling our efforts and throwing off personal insults. 

Let's take a look at his TF2 servers. It APPEARS that he has a pretty good amount and that at least 1 is popular ( https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=tf ). WRONG. Here is that same stats page + player counts next to the Steam Server browser where I added all his servers to my favorites. Kind funny how only 1 of them is even online, it's Garry's Mod, and it's empty, that is really weird: http://imgur.com/BoaCUh6

And lastly, here is his 1 single server that shows up in game tracker (I tried every combination of special attack names to make sure this was accurate): http://www.gametracker.com/search/?query=specialattack&sort=2&order=ASC

So tell us more bullshit Saint K, you slimey weasel. All you ever do is show up here, acting holier than thou, thinking you are something special. Spoiler alert: you're not. You don't even peak anyone's radar until you come flapping your gums. Your non existent servers are empty. Your forums are dead. Donations don't exist outside of you donating for appearances. Get over yourself, fuckin twat.

UPDATE: Just as I was finished writing this, he had a 19 dollar donation show up on his counter. That is fucking hilarious. Saint, are you sending the lunch money your mom gave you to your donations so it looks like someone cares? Lol =D


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Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different cago community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive play in Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America things are a lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not providing something like skin plugins, and nobody cares enough about any community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why almost all American servers run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by the owner. Things that work in one market don't always work in other markets, and it's a huge mistake to generalize as if they do. 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K." <[hidden email]> wrote:
I've been running gaming communities since 1999. 

That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years. 

Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's simple economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no problem surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.

I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved their wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.

Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't for the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a flying fuck.

Saint K.


From: Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: 6/14/2017 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for something that they can get for free, I could apply the same logic to valves decision, if people want to buy skins they will buy them why block the plugins? 

And those servers who continue running these plugins are UNIQUE and they exist because players are paying for it, so it is quite obvious what players actually want...

2017-06-14 15:30 GMT+02:00 Saint K. <[hidden email]>:
That's where the communities went wrong.

You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept and people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your servers.
If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.

Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.

Saint K.


From: Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: 6/14/2017 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too... 

On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller" <[hidden email]> wrote:
This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day the dwindling gameserver community.

Good bye srcds.

Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr:
Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just plain stupid. 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….

Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$ when they ban the servers.

 

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

 

-Rolf

 

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Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife

 

Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


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No need to be a dick against anyone. We're all here just because we have
one thing in common, running servers. If you aren't for that here or
have nothing contributing to say, you should not post at all.

Let me tell you how i've done since 2004, - ive paid the bills myself
from my own pocket and along the way few frieds wanted to contribute
too. Run gameservers for many valve games in the past. I've never ran
any advertisement or accepted donations from players.

I managed just fine up untill the moment when Valve directed most of the
traffic to their own servers in TF2 and in CSGO the community servers
were always on the side, and became more on the side once item drops
were disabled from them and alowed only on the valve servers.

While you can have active community server, you need to be located in
some place that has active players throughout nearly every time of the
day and invest a lot of hours to make it work decently and manage map
lists etc. As for player donations, if players find a server they like
and have friends and such, they will donate towards having that place in
the future too. See UKCS for example, they still play CS Source and have
active community.

Times are different now than before. As long as Valve or anyone else
runs their own servers, community servers are pretty much dead or mod
infested advertisement hells. This may or may not change in the future,
but times are different now than over 5 years ago.

Just my 2 cents.

-ics

Andrew Jackson kirjoitti:

> Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how
> community servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life
> community operating experience. If communities aren't run how he
> thinks they should, they should die a painful death, their owners
> probably should too huh?
>
> Let's take a look at Saint K's well maintained community that survives
> on donations and nothing more. Head on over to specialattack.net
> <http://specialattack.net>. There you can see their donation counter
> in the top left corner, which SHOCKINGLY reads $0 of $160 needed and
> here we are halfway through the month! Can you believe it? I can't. It
> absolutely has to be an error because his highly developed website
> (circa 1999) and the non-existing TF2 & CSGO game servers that he is
> running during peak hours in Europe definitely must draw more than
> enough happy supporters that are willing to donate their hard earned
> money to his obviously well maintained community, as opposed to
> spending their money on other games, skins, or things that help them
> ensure their thirst for instant gratification is quenched.
>
> And here Saint K is, no online CS:GO servers or anything, kind enough
> to come to the CSGO servers mailing list and fill us all in on how
> communities should be operated. His 2 CSGO servers (
> https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=csgo ) are booming
> with popularity (they aren't. they're not even online xD) and he is
> sparing his precious time to help us by belittling our efforts and
> throwing off personal insults.
>
> Let's take a look at his TF2 servers. It APPEARS that he has a pretty
> good amount and that at least 1 is popular (
> https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=tf ). WRONG. Here
> is that same stats page + player counts next to the Steam Server
> browser where I added all his servers to my favorites. Kind funny how
> only 1 of them is even online, it's Garry's Mod, and it's empty, that
> is really weird: http://imgur.com/BoaCUh6
>
> And lastly, here is his 1 single server that shows up in game tracker
> (I tried every combination of special attack names to make sure this
> was accurate):
> http://www.gametracker.com/search/?query=specialattack&sort=2&order=ASC
>
> So tell us more bullshit Saint K, you slimey weasel. All you ever do
> is show up here, acting holier than thou, thinking you are something
> special. Spoiler alert: you're not. You don't even peak anyone's radar
> until you come flapping your gums. Your non existent servers are
> empty. Your forums are dead. Donations don't exist outside of you
> donating for appearances. Get over yourself, fuckin twat.
>
> UPDATE: Just as I was finished writing this, he had a 19 dollar
> donation show up on his counter. That is fucking hilarious. Saint, are
> you sending the lunch money your mom gave you to your donations so it
> looks like someone cares? Lol =D
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Absurd Minds
> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based
>     in Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a
>     much different cago community than America. There's a much greater
>     emphasis on competitive play in Europe and vanilla servers are
>     more accepted, whereas in America things are a lot more casual.
>     It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not
>     providing something like skin plugins, and nobody cares enough
>     about any community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why almost
>     all American servers run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by
>     the owner. Things that work in one market don't always work in
>     other markets, and it's a huge mistake to generalize as if they do.
>
>     On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K." <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>         I've been running gaming communities since 1999.
>
>         That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10
>         years.
>
>         Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities
>         I've dealt with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users
>         receive on donating. It's simple economics - create something
>         people *want* and you shall have no problem surviving. If you
>         create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make
>         money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.
>
>         I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore.
>         They've achieved their wealth. People hosting
>         gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.
>
>         Complaining about any of these situations is not going to
>         help. It hasn't for the past years, and it surely won't help
>         now. They simply don't give a flying fuck.
>
>         Saint K.
>
>
>         *From: * Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]
>         <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>         *To: * <[hidden email]
>         <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>         *Sent: * 6/14/2017 3:46 PM
>         *Subject: * Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to
>         report cheating servers, on website
>
>             You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for
>             something that they can get for free, I could apply the
>             same logic to valves decision, if people want to buy skins
>             they will buy them why block the plugins?
>
>             And those servers who continue running these plugins are
>             UNIQUE and they exist because players are paying for it,
>             so it is quite obvious what players actually want...
>
>             2017-06-14 15:30 GMT+02:00 Saint K.
>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
>                 That's where the communities went wrong.
>
>                 You don't host servers to earn money with. You put
>                 down a proper concept and people will donate out of
>                 free will. That's how you pay for your servers.
>                 If your concept fails, no donations, you have no
>                 reason to exist.
>
>                 Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.
>
>                 Saint K.
>
>
>                 *From: * Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]
>                 <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>                 *To: * <[hidden email]
>                 <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>                 *Sent: * 6/14/2017 2:49 PM
>                 *Subject: * Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a
>                 place to report cheating servers, on website
>
>                     The problem is that they don't realize we have to
>                     pay server bills too...
>
>                     On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller"
>                     <[hidden email]
>                     <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>                         This concept of monetization kills the
>                         community. You can observe day for day the
>                         dwindling gameserver community.
>
>                         Good bye srcds.
>
>                         Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]
>                         <mailto:[hidden email]>> schrieb am Mi.,
>                         14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr:
>
>                             Why the heck there is such a thing as
>                             forbidden plugins, that is like making a
>                             mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban
>                             players for using it. This is just plain
>                             stupid.
>
>                             On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas"
>                             <[hidden email]
>                             <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>                                 What is your point? They already get
>                                 banned every 2 days….
>
>                                 Yes, they get new tokens every
>                                 banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since
>                                 they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$
>                                 when they ban the servers.
>
>                                 Since Valve doesn’t care about the
>                                 community at all, people will always
>                                 use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just
>                                 should do the same… ;-)
>
>                                 -Rolf
>
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>                                 *Onderwerp: *[Csgo_servers] Valve
>                                 should create a place to report
>                                 cheating servers, on website
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>                                 Valve should create a place to report
>                                 cheating servers, on website. We don’t
>                                 need to join their server to report in
>                                 game.
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>                                 As we can Find they listing here:
>                                 http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife
>                                 <http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife>
>
>                                 Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws
>                                 plugins.
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Once upon a time is dead and gone. I also had incredibly popular servers once upon a time, with enough donations to pay for the server *and* buy things for the community (eg games for giveaways). It's not like that anymore around here. 

I still run servers, and I pay for them with my own money, but there is not the same strong community built around vanilla servers as there used to be in America. 

On Jun 14, 2017 12:22 PM, "Saint K." <[hidden email]> wrote:

Once upon a time we also had US based servers. Same deal.

 

Hosting servers as a clan or community never has been about raising or earning money. These are hobby projects and you should treat them as such.

 

Besides having paid for the game, VALVe owes you nothing in terms of server software and support.

 

And it’s quite simple. If these infectious ads wouldn’t be in the MOTD and people didn’t resort to trying to “sell off” items that should be unlocked, there shouldn’t be a problem. No donations, no servers, no games to play for the people. They’ll donate if that is the case – they’ve always have.

 

The communities started to do everything to grab money in dirty ways. Since then VALVe’s own servers started showing up, and you know the rest of the story.

 

Anyway, it’s all history, it’s not going to change and the ‘good old days’ ain’t never returning and VALVe isn’t going to listen to the outcries. That’s also why you don’t find any CS:GO servers anymore with us, as we more or less gave up with SRCDS based games.

 

So in summary – give it up, save yourself from a lot of frustration and headaches. Accept the situation for what it is. Find a way to deal with it, or don’t. It isn’t ever going to change back into anything workable.

 

Saint K.

 

From: Csgo_servers [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Absurd Minds
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Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different cago community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive play in Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America things are a lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not providing something like skin plugins, and nobody cares enough about any community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why almost all American servers run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by the owner. Things that work in one market don't always work in other markets, and it's a huge mistake to generalize as if they do. 

 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K." <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've been running gaming communities since 1999. 

 

That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years. 

 

Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's simple economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no problem surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.

 

I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved their wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.

 

Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't for the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a flying fuck.

 

Saint K.

From: Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]>
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Sent: 6/14/2017 3:46 PM
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You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for something that they can get for free, I could apply the same logic to valves decision, if people want to buy skins they will buy them why block the plugins? 

 

And those servers who continue running these plugins are UNIQUE and they exist because players are paying for it, so it is quite obvious what players actually want...

 

2017-06-14 15:30 GMT+02:00 Saint K. <[hidden email]>:

That's where the communities went wrong.

 

You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept and people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your servers.

If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist.

 

Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.

 

Saint K.

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The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too... 

 

On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller" <[hidden email]> wrote:

This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day the dwindling gameserver community.

Good bye srcds.

 

Kristaps Kusiņš <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr:

Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just plain stupid. 

 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas" <[hidden email]> wrote:

What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days….

Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$ when they ban the servers.

 

Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just should do the same… ;-)

 

-Rolf

 

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Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game.

As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife

 

Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. 


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You’re looking at outdated data. As communities as a whole moved into an entirely different direction, community websites don’t really matter anymore. Most communications go through alternative platforms nowadays – such as discord. If you looked a bit further you also see that registration possibilities are closed, as it merely functions as an archive.

I can proudly let you know however, that this summer, we’ll have our 11th annual game community meet up. Something we’ve done yearly and we’ll keep doing so. Our community lives on, I have no worries about that – it just isn’t in the ways it used to (with an up2date website for example).

 

Also if you really want to know, the donations counter is broken – you’ll need to refresh your page before it loads.

 

Feel free to think whatever you like. I am just talking from experience. I’ve been around since the launch of HL1, and have a long history on this list (before spa – dumbclan). Dig into the HLDS (linux) archives and be amazed.

 

Also I think I am still listed as top donor on sourcemod after all these years. A simple “10% of our income in donations goes to projects we use to support them”. See how this world (used?) to work?

 

I am not saying you have to listen, I am just pointing things out and voicing my opinion. If you don’t like that, fine with me, I won’t sleep any less over it.

 

Saint K.

 

From: Csgo_servers [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Andrew Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 6:23 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

 

Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how community servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life community operating experience. If communities aren't run how he thinks they should, they should die a painful death, their owners probably should too huh?

 

Let's take a look at Saint K's well maintained community that survives on donations and nothing more. Head on over to specialattack.net. There you can see their donation counter in the top left corner, which SHOCKINGLY reads $0 of $160 needed and here we are halfway through the month! Can you believe it? I can't. It absolutely has to be an error because his highly developed website (circa 1999) and the non-existing TF2 & CSGO game servers that he is running during peak hours in Europe definitely must draw more than enough happy supporters that are willing to donate their hard earned money to his obviously well maintained community, as opposed to spending their money on other games, skins, or things that help them ensure their thirst for instant gratification is quenched. 

 

And here Saint K is, no online CS:GO servers or anything, kind enough to come to the CSGO servers mailing list and fill us all in on how communities should be operated. His 2 CSGO servers ( https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=csgo ) are booming with popularity (they aren't. they're not even online xD) and he is sparing his precious time to help us by belittling our efforts and throwing off personal insults. 

 

Let's take a look at his TF2 servers. It APPEARS that he has a pretty good amount and that at least 1 is popular ( https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=tf ). WRONG. Here is that same stats page + player counts next to the Steam Server browser where I added all his servers to my favorites. Kind funny how only 1 of them is even online, it's Garry's Mod, and it's empty, that is really weird: http://imgur.com/BoaCUh6

 

And lastly, here is his 1 single server that shows up in game tracker (I tried every combination of special attack names to make sure this was accurate): http://www.gametracker.com/search/?query=specialattack&sort=2&order=ASC

 

So tell us more bullshit Saint K, you slimey weasel. All you ever do is show up here, acting holier than thou, thinking you are something special. Spoiler alert: you're not. You don't even peak anyone's radar until you come flapping your gums. Your non existent servers are empty. Your forums are dead. Donations don't exist outside of you donating for appearances. Get over yourself, fuckin twat.

 

UPDATE: Just as I was finished writing this, he had a 19 dollar donation show up on his counter. That is fucking hilarious. Saint, are you sending the lunch money your mom gave you to your donations so it looks like someone cares? Lol =D

 

 

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Absurd Minds <[hidden email]> wrote:

Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different cago community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive play in Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America things are a lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not providing something like skin plugins, and nobody cares enough about any community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why almost all American servers run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by the owner. Things that work in one market don't always work in other markets, and it's a huge mistake to generalize as if they do. 

 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K." <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've been running gaming communities since 1999. 

 

That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years. 

 

Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's simple economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no problem surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.

 

I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved their wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.

 

Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't for the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a flying fuck.

 

Saint K.


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I don't like to stoop to the low that I just did. I do believe that you have been around and have a lot of experience to offer, but did you really need to come in with the insults and belittling of others because you have a different opinion? You just made an honest, humble post, one that can be read and respected. Why couldn't it have been that from the start? You just came in attacking others because you disagreed with them, then someone calls you out with perfectly valid information, and you immediately get humble. Your initial posts could have been simply giving your experience, like your post above. Instead you had to insult people for no reason, when no insults were made towards you or towards anyone else that justified you doing so. 

Not that you need justification for anything but courtesy and objectivity go a long way. Because things used to be one way doesn't mean they are now. Because something worked for one person or a group of people, doesn't mean it's going to work for everyone. Everyone can be proud of their communities no matter how they support them. If you can manage to fully support it out of pocket, great. If you can get donations, even better, you're obviously doing something right. But there are plenty of servers for people to choose from these days. It doesn't matter if servers run ads or not, that's the way of the world. Players should be smart enough to use and support the good quality servers, and blacklist the shitty ones that spam ads, have wild admins, or whatever else might make a particular server shitty. Otherwise, there's no one to blame but the players for making poor choices. 

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Saint K. <[hidden email]> wrote:

You’re looking at outdated data. As communities as a whole moved into an entirely different direction, community websites don’t really matter anymore. Most communications go through alternative platforms nowadays – such as discord. If you looked a bit further you also see that registration possibilities are closed, as it merely functions as an archive.

I can proudly let you know however, that this summer, we’ll have our 11th annual game community meet up. Something we’ve done yearly and we’ll keep doing so. Our community lives on, I have no worries about that – it just isn’t in the ways it used to (with an up2date website for example).

 

Also if you really want to know, the donations counter is broken – you’ll need to refresh your page before it loads.

 

Feel free to think whatever you like. I am just talking from experience. I’ve been around since the launch of HL1, and have a long history on this list (before spa – dumbclan). Dig into the HLDS (linux) archives and be amazed.

 

Also I think I am still listed as top donor on sourcemod after all these years. A simple “10% of our income in donations goes to projects we use to support them”. See how this world (used?) to work?

 

I am not saying you have to listen, I am just pointing things out and voicing my opinion. If you don’t like that, fine with me, I won’t sleep any less over it.

 

Saint K.

 

From: Csgo_servers [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Andrew Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 6:23 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

 

Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how community servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life community operating experience. If communities aren't run how he thinks they should, they should die a painful death, their owners probably should too huh?

 

Let's take a look at Saint K's well maintained community that survives on donations and nothing more. Head on over to specialattack.net. There you can see their donation counter in the top left corner, which SHOCKINGLY reads $0 of $160 needed and here we are halfway through the month! Can you believe it? I can't. It absolutely has to be an error because his highly developed website (circa 1999) and the non-existing TF2 & CSGO game servers that he is running during peak hours in Europe definitely must draw more than enough happy supporters that are willing to donate their hard earned money to his obviously well maintained community, as opposed to spending their money on other games, skins, or things that help them ensure their thirst for instant gratification is quenched. 

 

And here Saint K is, no online CS:GO servers or anything, kind enough to come to the CSGO servers mailing list and fill us all in on how communities should be operated. His 2 CSGO servers ( https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=csgo ) are booming with popularity (they aren't. they're not even online xD) and he is sparing his precious time to help us by belittling our efforts and throwing off personal insults. 

 

Let's take a look at his TF2 servers. It APPEARS that he has a pretty good amount and that at least 1 is popular ( https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=tf ). WRONG. Here is that same stats page + player counts next to the Steam Server browser where I added all his servers to my favorites. Kind funny how only 1 of them is even online, it's Garry's Mod, and it's empty, that is really weird: http://imgur.com/BoaCUh6

 

And lastly, here is his 1 single server that shows up in game tracker (I tried every combination of special attack names to make sure this was accurate): http://www.gametracker.com/search/?query=specialattack&sort=2&order=ASC

 

So tell us more bullshit Saint K, you slimey weasel. All you ever do is show up here, acting holier than thou, thinking you are something special. Spoiler alert: you're not. You don't even peak anyone's radar until you come flapping your gums. Your non existent servers are empty. Your forums are dead. Donations don't exist outside of you donating for appearances. Get over yourself, fuckin twat.

 

UPDATE: Just as I was finished writing this, he had a 19 dollar donation show up on his counter. That is fucking hilarious. Saint, are you sending the lunch money your mom gave you to your donations so it looks like someone cares? Lol =D

 

 

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Absurd Minds <[hidden email]> wrote:

Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different cago community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive play in Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America things are a lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not providing something like skin plugins, and nobody cares enough about any community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why almost all American servers run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by the owner. Things that work in one market don't always work in other markets, and it's a huge mistake to generalize as if they do. 

 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K." <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've been running gaming communities since 1999. 

 

That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years. 

 

Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's simple economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no problem surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.

 

I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved their wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.

 

Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't for the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a flying fuck.

 

Saint K.


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Saint K.

I don’t feel I was attacking that much, perhaps a bit sharply worded.

 

My point, which doesn’t seem to have come across entirely, from my first post on was; The battle is pointless. The concerns people raise here with banning the servers, them reappearing, apparent money loss – We’ve fought that battle. A long time ago, for a very long duration. We simply lost. VALVe doesn’t care like they used too.

 

Accept the situation for what it is and try to work with it. Asking VALVe to do something about it simply isn’t going to fly, unfortunately. And I say this with pain in my heart, because we used to have a lovely well working – be it in an online way – relation with VALVe in the past.

 

Saint K.

 

From: Csgo_servers [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Andrew Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 7:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

 

I don't like to stoop to the low that I just did. I do believe that you have been around and have a lot of experience to offer, but did you really need to come in with the insults and belittling of others because you have a different opinion? You just made an honest, humble post, one that can be read and respected. Why couldn't it have been that from the start? You just came in attacking others because you disagreed with them, then someone calls you out with perfectly valid information, and you immediately get humble. Your initial posts could have been simply giving your experience, like your post above. Instead you had to insult people for no reason, when no insults were made towards you or towards anyone else that justified you doing so. 

 

Not that you need justification for anything but courtesy and objectivity go a long way. Because things used to be one way doesn't mean they are now. Because something worked for one person or a group of people, doesn't mean it's going to work for everyone. Everyone can be proud of their communities no matter how they support them. If you can manage to fully support it out of pocket, great. If you can get donations, even better, you're obviously doing something right. But there are plenty of servers for people to choose from these days. It doesn't matter if servers run ads or not, that's the way of the world. Players should be smart enough to use and support the good quality servers, and blacklist the shitty ones that spam ads, have wild admins, or whatever else might make a particular server shitty. Otherwise, there's no one to blame but the players for making poor choices. 

 

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Saint K. <[hidden email]> wrote:

You’re looking at outdated data. As communities as a whole moved into an entirely different direction, community websites don’t really matter anymore. Most communications go through alternative platforms nowadays – such as discord. If you looked a bit further you also see that registration possibilities are closed, as it merely functions as an archive.

I can proudly let you know however, that this summer, we’ll have our 11th annual game community meet up. Something we’ve done yearly and we’ll keep doing so. Our community lives on, I have no worries about that – it just isn’t in the ways it used to (with an up2date website for example).

 

Also if you really want to know, the donations counter is broken – you’ll need to refresh your page before it loads.

 

Feel free to think whatever you like. I am just talking from experience. I’ve been around since the launch of HL1, and have a long history on this list (before spa – dumbclan). Dig into the HLDS (linux) archives and be amazed.

 

Also I think I am still listed as top donor on sourcemod after all these years. A simple “10% of our income in donations goes to projects we use to support them”. See how this world (used?) to work?

 

I am not saying you have to listen, I am just pointing things out and voicing my opinion. If you don’t like that, fine with me, I won’t sleep any less over it.

 

Saint K.

 

From: Csgo_servers [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Andrew Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 6:23 PM
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Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how community servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life community operating experience. If communities aren't run how he thinks they should, they should die a painful death, their owners probably should too huh?

 

Let's take a look at Saint K's well maintained community that survives on donations and nothing more. Head on over to specialattack.net. There you can see their donation counter in the top left corner, which SHOCKINGLY reads $0 of $160 needed and here we are halfway through the month! Can you believe it? I can't. It absolutely has to be an error because his highly developed website (circa 1999) and the non-existing TF2 & CSGO game servers that he is running during peak hours in Europe definitely must draw more than enough happy supporters that are willing to donate their hard earned money to his obviously well maintained community, as opposed to spending their money on other games, skins, or things that help them ensure their thirst for instant gratification is quenched. 

 

And here Saint K is, no online CS:GO servers or anything, kind enough to come to the CSGO servers mailing list and fill us all in on how communities should be operated. His 2 CSGO servers ( https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=csgo ) are booming with popularity (they aren't. they're not even online xD) and he is sparing his precious time to help us by belittling our efforts and throwing off personal insults. 

 

Let's take a look at his TF2 servers. It APPEARS that he has a pretty good amount and that at least 1 is popular ( https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=tf ). WRONG. Here is that same stats page + player counts next to the Steam Server browser where I added all his servers to my favorites. Kind funny how only 1 of them is even online, it's Garry's Mod, and it's empty, that is really weird: http://imgur.com/BoaCUh6

 

And lastly, here is his 1 single server that shows up in game tracker (I tried every combination of special attack names to make sure this was accurate): http://www.gametracker.com/search/?query=specialattack&sort=2&order=ASC

 

So tell us more bullshit Saint K, you slimey weasel. All you ever do is show up here, acting holier than thou, thinking you are something special. Spoiler alert: you're not. You don't even peak anyone's radar until you come flapping your gums. Your non existent servers are empty. Your forums are dead. Donations don't exist outside of you donating for appearances. Get over yourself, fuckin twat.

 

UPDATE: Just as I was finished writing this, he had a 19 dollar donation show up on his counter. That is fucking hilarious. Saint, are you sending the lunch money your mom gave you to your donations so it looks like someone cares? Lol =D

 

 

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Absurd Minds <[hidden email]> wrote:

Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different cago community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive play in Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America things are a lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not providing something like skin plugins, and nobody cares enough about any community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why almost all American servers run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by the owner. Things that work in one market don't always work in other markets, and it's a huge mistake to generalize as if they do. 

 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K." <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've been running gaming communities since 1999. 

 

That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years. 

 

Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's simple economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no problem surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.

 

I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved their wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.

 

Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't for the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a flying fuck.

 

Saint K.


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Re: Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

Erik-jan Riemers
I do have to concur with Saint K. we moved to discord and pretty much all income is gone. Always did pay for the servers, even with income. During that time i had to pay 'less' but i don't mind because it is for the community.

Items that where broken took sometimes years, if fixed at all. The whole reason why servers died is because of restrictions by valve trying to fight the 'bad guys' but it only hurt the good guys. This is a struggle that will never be won by 'us' the owners, it is won by the 'bad people' because they adopt more quicker then valve can fix/change things.

This is just a know fact, nothing more, nothing less. Like most people including me, we just play another game and be happy too. Have a regular bunch of friends online and still call it a community.

2017-06-14 19:19 GMT+02:00 Saint K. <[hidden email]>:

I don’t feel I was attacking that much, perhaps a bit sharply worded.

 

My point, which doesn’t seem to have come across entirely, from my first post on was; The battle is pointless. The concerns people raise here with banning the servers, them reappearing, apparent money loss – We’ve fought that battle. A long time ago, for a very long duration. We simply lost. VALVe doesn’t care like they used too.

 

Accept the situation for what it is and try to work with it. Asking VALVe to do something about it simply isn’t going to fly, unfortunately. And I say this with pain in my heart, because we used to have a lovely well working – be it in an online way – relation with VALVe in the past.

 

Saint K.

 

From: Csgo_servers [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Andrew Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 7:05 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

 

I don't like to stoop to the low that I just did. I do believe that you have been around and have a lot of experience to offer, but did you really need to come in with the insults and belittling of others because you have a different opinion? You just made an honest, humble post, one that can be read and respected. Why couldn't it have been that from the start? You just came in attacking others because you disagreed with them, then someone calls you out with perfectly valid information, and you immediately get humble. Your initial posts could have been simply giving your experience, like your post above. Instead you had to insult people for no reason, when no insults were made towards you or towards anyone else that justified you doing so. 

 

Not that you need justification for anything but courtesy and objectivity go a long way. Because things used to be one way doesn't mean they are now. Because something worked for one person or a group of people, doesn't mean it's going to work for everyone. Everyone can be proud of their communities no matter how they support them. If you can manage to fully support it out of pocket, great. If you can get donations, even better, you're obviously doing something right. But there are plenty of servers for people to choose from these days. It doesn't matter if servers run ads or not, that's the way of the world. Players should be smart enough to use and support the good quality servers, and blacklist the shitty ones that spam ads, have wild admins, or whatever else might make a particular server shitty. Otherwise, there's no one to blame but the players for making poor choices. 

 

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Saint K. <[hidden email]> wrote:

You’re looking at outdated data. As communities as a whole moved into an entirely different direction, community websites don’t really matter anymore. Most communications go through alternative platforms nowadays – such as discord. If you looked a bit further you also see that registration possibilities are closed, as it merely functions as an archive.

I can proudly let you know however, that this summer, we’ll have our 11th annual game community meet up. Something we’ve done yearly and we’ll keep doing so. Our community lives on, I have no worries about that – it just isn’t in the ways it used to (with an up2date website for example).

 

Also if you really want to know, the donations counter is broken – you’ll need to refresh your page before it loads.

 

Feel free to think whatever you like. I am just talking from experience. I’ve been around since the launch of HL1, and have a long history on this list (before spa – dumbclan). Dig into the HLDS (linux) archives and be amazed.

 

Also I think I am still listed as top donor on sourcemod after all these years. A simple “10% of our income in donations goes to projects we use to support them”. See how this world (used?) to work?

 

I am not saying you have to listen, I am just pointing things out and voicing my opinion. If you don’t like that, fine with me, I won’t sleep any less over it.

 

Saint K.

 

From: Csgo_servers [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Andrew Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 6:23 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

 

Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how community servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life community operating experience. If communities aren't run how he thinks they should, they should die a painful death, their owners probably should too huh?

 

Let's take a look at Saint K's well maintained community that survives on donations and nothing more. Head on over to specialattack.net. There you can see their donation counter in the top left corner, which SHOCKINGLY reads $0 of $160 needed and here we are halfway through the month! Can you believe it? I can't. It absolutely has to be an error because his highly developed website (circa 1999) and the non-existing TF2 & CSGO game servers that he is running during peak hours in Europe definitely must draw more than enough happy supporters that are willing to donate their hard earned money to his obviously well maintained community, as opposed to spending their money on other games, skins, or things that help them ensure their thirst for instant gratification is quenched. 

 

And here Saint K is, no online CS:GO servers or anything, kind enough to come to the CSGO servers mailing list and fill us all in on how communities should be operated. His 2 CSGO servers ( https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=csgo ) are booming with popularity (they aren't. they're not even online xD) and he is sparing his precious time to help us by belittling our efforts and throwing off personal insults. 

 

Let's take a look at his TF2 servers. It APPEARS that he has a pretty good amount and that at least 1 is popular ( https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=tf ). WRONG. Here is that same stats page + player counts next to the Steam Server browser where I added all his servers to my favorites. Kind funny how only 1 of them is even online, it's Garry's Mod, and it's empty, that is really weird: http://imgur.com/BoaCUh6

 

And lastly, here is his 1 single server that shows up in game tracker (I tried every combination of special attack names to make sure this was accurate): http://www.gametracker.com/search/?query=specialattack&sort=2&order=ASC

 

So tell us more bullshit Saint K, you slimey weasel. All you ever do is show up here, acting holier than thou, thinking you are something special. Spoiler alert: you're not. You don't even peak anyone's radar until you come flapping your gums. Your non existent servers are empty. Your forums are dead. Donations don't exist outside of you donating for appearances. Get over yourself, fuckin twat.

 

UPDATE: Just as I was finished writing this, he had a 19 dollar donation show up on his counter. That is fucking hilarious. Saint, are you sending the lunch money your mom gave you to your donations so it looks like someone cares? Lol =D

 

 

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Absurd Minds <[hidden email]> wrote:

Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different cago community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive play in Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America things are a lot more casual. It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not providing something like skin plugins, and nobody cares enough about any community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why almost all American servers run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by the owner. Things that work in one market don't always work in other markets, and it's a huge mistake to generalize as if they do. 

 

On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K." <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've been running gaming communities since 1999. 

 

That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years. 

 

Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's simple economics - create something people *want* and you shall have no problem surviving. If you create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.

 

I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore. They've achieved their wealth. People hosting gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.

 

Complaining about any of these situations is not going to help. It hasn't for the past years, and it surely won't help now. They simply don't give a flying fuck.

 

Saint K.


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